Original Link: https://www.anandtech.com/show/2441



Not long ago we had a long talk with PC Power & Cooling founder Doug Dodson about power supplies and the question came up why there aren't lower wattage power supplies with enough PEG connectors to support higher end graphics card setups. The reason why will be answered shortly but Doug also agreed to build us a custom power supply based on the newly introduced Turbo Cool 860. The article about that power supply is already online, and as a follow-up we wanted to post this interview.



For the curious, that's Christoph on the left and Doug on the right…

We met Doug and the PC Power / OCZ crew at this year's CES show in Las Vegas, and he took the time to answer a few questions we had. We have three topics to cover: Technology, Markets, and Work. These will concentrate respectively on the technology offered by PC Power & Cooling, the newly extended markets created by the acquisition from OCZ, and how the work changed during this time until today.



Technology

After we published the review of the Turbo Cool 1200W, we talked about the topology a bit. Somehow, our opinions differ in regards to what the best approach is. Why do you think the design is fine the way it is now?

Doug Dodson (DD): In order to get the UL and TUV certificates we had to test and qualify all of the components in the power supply. Every component passed the temperature tests with plenty of margin, so we don't think the topology has any flaws as you stated in your review.

From the topology side of view the design is very sleek; I am just concerned about all those components that are blocking the airflow.

DD: We actually have several wind-tunnels going through the power supply that leave enough space for the air to go through. That is enough for cooling all of the components.

But the temperatures you showed were reached with one of the noisiest fans in the industry.

DD: Yes, but the Turbo Cool 1200W was designed for servers, workstations, and triple-SLI setups that dissipate a lot more heat than simple home PCs. The Turbo Cool 1200W is rated for full load operation at 50C ambient temperature. As an industrial-rated PSU, it obviously requires a higher capacity fan than a consumer PSU rated at 25C-35C ambient. In other words, it's not the topology that demands a high-capacity fan as much as it is the highly-reliable 50C rating.

Speaking of PSU Myths published on your website, what is your opinion about modular cables today since you found them unstable? The fact is that most of the users want modular cables just to be free to remove them when they're not needed.

DD: Just because users like them doesn't make them good. The fact is that with lower wattage consumer PSUs you can probably get away using cable management because the voltage losses are relatively minor and reliability isn't critical. With higher end power supplies above 800W, it would be careless to use such a design because the voltage drop through the connectors is significant and the applications tend to be mission critical.

What is your opinion on the constantly increasing wattages of power supplies? Why there are so many power supplies today offering more than 1000W? There is obviously no need for them at the moment.

DD: The need for high wattage PSUs was created by platforms with multiple CPUs and GPUs. When you see the market of power supplies in general, you will see lots of lower end manufacturers claiming high wattages. In some cases they can only reach half of the stated output, so consumers need to buy a PSU labeled as 1000W to get a continuous 500W. In the high-end sector, you can choose a quality PSU with a more moderate maximum output, because it can actually deliver that amount of power.

But I don't see many power supplies with lower outputs and more cables. I actually had to ask you to build me a custom power supply with all the connectors I wanted.

DD: You asked for connectors to support 3-way SLI (6 PCI-E) from an 860 watt power supply. According to NVIDIA, that setup requires an 1100W PSU. We built the custom Turbo Cool 860 anyway to show you how conservative our ratings are. The reason the 860 doesn't come with six PCI-E standard is because we can't market the product for 3-way SLI without NVIDIA certification and they won't certify a PSU under 1100W for 3-way SLI, no matter how well it works. For users running 3-way SLI, we have our NVIDIA certified Turbo Cool 1200.

Why are the high-end power supply manufacturers still pushing such high wattages?

DD: Systems with multiple CPUs and GPUs can actually draw around 1000W. In other cases, users want the advantages associated with operating at 40-70% capacity. These include wider input operating range, longer hold time, lower noise and ripple, cooler, quieter operation, and longer product life.

And this is good for the companies of course because they make higher margins from higher wattage models?

DD: That's not necessarily true. The margin on the Turbo Cool 1200 is below average because the unit uses expensive low-volume components. The real advantage of building high wattage power supplies, besides bragging rights, is that it moves our proprietary technology forward and that knowledge can then be used to improve the performance of the high volume midrange products.

That sounds reasonable. This is also for example how the single 12V rail got into place. Why exactly is one 12V rail better than separate rails, and why is this not a safety issue for the user?

DD: One 12V rail is better because all of the power supply's capacity is available to the system. With a multi-rail 12V design, as much as 30% of the PSU's capacity can be trapped on under-utilized rails. For example, if one 12V rail rated at 18A is for the CPU, and the CPU only draws 8A, the remaining 10A cannot be utilized by other components in the system.

That's true. I had an AnandTech reader writing me about a problem with his setup powering up 18 hard disks at the same time. I suggested he either gets two power supplies, using the second just for the HDDs, or that he use a power supply with a massive single 12V rail. Eventually he ended up with one of your Silencer 750W power supplies and that completely solved the problem.

DD: That is one of the problems you can solve with a single rail, yes.

So what about safety concerns with let's say 90A on one rail?

DD: The safety agencies wouldn't approve our units if there was a risk to consumers. I've done tests using my own body to prove it's not an issue.

(That's something we really would have liked to see ourselves!)



Markets

How are the sales in the European market these days? I know you have a strong marketing team there that is working very hard. I didn't even think that it would work out since it's not that easy to establish a totally new brand in a new market, but it looks like you did a good job. How does that show in numbers?

DD: Unlike OCZ power supplies that are already well-known in Europe, PC Power & Cooling units were never available outside the USA. That has changed in the last few months. The combination of numerous excellent reviews worldwide and a strong distribution channel has allowed European sales of PC Power & Cooling units to take off.

What has changed at PCP&C since the buyout by OCZ? You obviously sell more power supplies now.

DD: Actually, a lot is still the same. PC Power & Cooling has the same experienced staff in the same location we've had for 17 years. We are much more productive now since we don't have to concern ourselves with things handled by the OCZ team such as sales and finance.

You have a very good reputation in the US, but in Europe PCP&C is still not more than a typical high-end brand like many others. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to establish the same services you have in the US? Specifically, I am talking about changing cables or connectors or Chroma test-reports for the units?

DD: Turbo Cool customers in Europe and elsewhere receive Chroma test reports generated in our Carlsbad, California facility. As PC Power & Cooling grows in Europe, we will offer options available in the USA such as the custom cables you mentioned.

Work

How did your work schedule change after the buyout? Now as the CTO of the group, your field might have expanded to different directions. Please describe a normal working day.

DD: By not having to handle finance, sales, marketing, and HR, I'm now able to concentrate on product development and engineering, areas of the business I enjoy. Most of my day is spent in our lab evaluating designs, testing products, or communicating with industry OEMs. We can now produce more innovative, high-performance power supply products than ever before.

It's been six months since you joined forces; what can we expect in the near future from either PCP&C or OCZ?

DD: On the OCZ side, we have just announced the new single rail EliteXStream 800W and 1000W power supplies at CES 2008. On the PC Power & Cooling side, we are now shipping the Turbo Cool 860W with 84% efficiency, 1.5% regulation, and adjustable rails. Next will be the Turbo Cool 1200 ESA version, a blue version of the Silencer 750W, and the new ultra-quiet Silencer 500W.

Doug, thanks so much for taking the time talking to us and we look forward to testing these new products.

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